Windows Pro 10 preview build 14291 - issue

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Re: Windows Pro 10 preview build 14291 - issue

Postby Nik » Fri May 13, 2016 1:14 pm

We have opened a support incident with Microsoft to see what may be going on here.
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Re: Windows Pro 10 preview build 14291 - issue

Postby srdavis » Fri May 13, 2016 3:46 pm

thanks - they are getting close to releasing this new version and will knock out Anuko if this is not addressed either by them or you. let us know what we as users/customers can do.
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Re: Windows Pro 10 preview build 14291 - issue

Postby admin » Fri May 20, 2016 1:25 pm

Further investigation shows that there is actually no problem with SetWindowsHookEx API. This part works as expected. There was a problem with Explorer process finding and loading the logging DLL in my experiment. It was the reason why I did not see debug output after the call.
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Re: Windows Pro 10 preview build 14291 - issue

Postby Nik » Fri May 20, 2016 1:39 pm

Nik wrote:We have opened a support incident with Microsoft to see what may be going on here.


According to the information we obtained via the support incident, Microsoft overhauled system taskbar rendering code. As a result, the system clock no longer works as in previous versions of Windows. Specifically, the clock window procedure no longer handles WM_USER+X messages.

In previous Windows, the clock procedure was called to obtain a size required to display the clock. Now it is no longer the case, and there is no way to tell the system how wide the clock actually is.

We still can subclass the window procedure and draw something in place of the system clock. However, we cannot change the size, the part with adjusting the size is permanently broken, and they consider replacing the system clock as unsupported scenario.

It looks like the end of World Clock for Windows, unfortunately.
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Re: Windows Pro 10 preview build 14291 - issue

Postby srdavis » Fri May 20, 2016 4:17 pm

That is truly a bad thing! maybe there is an opportunity to build a "tile" or active desktop icon that can simulate the toolbar view that previously existed. through the desktop clocks that your software allows, maybe you can create a desktop clock that provides the equivalent of what was in the toolbar window.

this is very bad news - i would be interested in the 'roadmap' that you might provide to us.
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Re: Windows Pro 10 preview build 14291 - issue

Postby admin » Sun May 29, 2016 2:41 pm

srdavis wrote:That is truly a bad thing! maybe there is an opportunity to build a "tile" or active desktop icon that can simulate the toolbar view that previously existed. through the desktop clocks that your software allows, maybe you can create a desktop clock that provides the equivalent of what was in the toolbar window.

this is very bad news - i would be interested in the 'roadmap' that you might provide to us.

You can have a desktop clock with a taskbar-looking skin already. You can group items together using the "Pin to group" option.

However, the taskbar seems like a natural place for a clock app. And this part is apparently permanently broken in Win 10 as there is no way to customize clock window size anymore. The mechanism that was there before Win 10 in all previous versions of Windows, including early editions of Win 10, is removed.

However, the incident we opened with Microsoft is still not closed at this time. A senior engineer, who is assigned to the case, is apparently trying his best to reach to the Windows development team to see if anything could be done.

But let us all be realistic here. Most likely we'll achieve nothing. it is probably best to invest our efforts and time elsewhere, where things are open source, more robust, and stable.
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Re: Windows Pro 10 preview build 14291 - issue

Postby admin » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:25 pm

Here is a Microsoft engineer reply on our support incident:

I engaged the Windows product group regarding your issue. The feedback that I received is that there are no plans to provide a supported mechanism for an application to replace the taskbar clock in future versions of Windows. Additionally, there is no plan to add support to the new taskbar clock implementation to support the mechanism that you are using to replace the taskbar clock in previous versions of Windows. Unfortunately, it appears that there is little else that we will be able to do regarding this support incident.


It looks like it's time to start using another operating system. We are all wiser this time and will choose open source for better control over things.
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